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Undertale, EarthBound and The Appeal of Quirky Games | Slightly Something Else

This week on Slightly Something Else, Yahtzee and Jack talk about quirky games like Undertale and Earthbound and what their appeal is.
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  1. SKay

    SKay

    3 өдрийн өмнө

    Thanks for answering my question. This just makes me think how far game design has come when the only main limitation it has left is the people working on it and what their priorities are.

  2. Michael Wolfe

    Michael Wolfe

    4 өдрийн өмнө

    When did jack get a zero punctuation character.

  3. Jen Weatherwax

    Jen Weatherwax

    4 өдрийн өмнө

    The Toffee bell! flappity-flap

  4. Z

    Z

    7 өдрийн өмнө

    I think it is very funny that they think they are going to completely avoid talking about Dark Souls so they choose to talk about deconstructionist games, which Dark Souls is a prime example of. It just deconstructs action rpg mechanics instead of jrpg mechanics.

  5. Luke Macri

    Luke Macri

    8 өдрийн өмнө

    I didn't know how NPR they could get until they turned the NPR dial up to 13 at 24:40.

  6. Anguila Hombre

    Anguila Hombre

    8 өдрийн өмнө

    Regarding the whole discussion of Undertale and its Earthbound influence, there's another major influence that's lesser known but of significant importance: the Touhou Project series of bullet-hell shooters, created by a solo dev known as ZUN. Aside from the implementation of SHMUP mechanics in Undertale's battle system and some overall story similarities (human(s) in a world of monsters, war between humans and monsters, barrier keeping them all together, Papyrus~Cirno, etc.), the influence manifests mostly in the soundtrack. Toby Fox's music has long been compared to ZUN's, and he's been a massive Touhou fan since middle school. Much of his interest in composing music was a result of trying to play Touhou songs on the piano at a young-ish age. The attitudes and ideas of Touhou's creator may have also rubbed off on Toby (a bit more speculative here), such as a focus on solo-development, an openness to and encouragement of fan creations, composing the music first then figuring out the story afterwards... It's also an exemplar of the idea Yahtzee put forth at 30:00, that an indie dev shouldn't let the fact that they can't draw get in the way of their vision. I was gonna ask if either Yahtzee or Jack was aware of the series, but I missed the stream. I guess feel free to pass this along, Nick, if you feel like it. Thanks

  7. todpolle

    todpolle

    8 өдрийн өмнө

    I played Jimmy and the Mass. I must warn that it can be very hard.

  8. Toby Grice

    Toby Grice

    9 өдрийн өмнө

    This weeks not coming to Spotify?

  9. Realag666

    Realag666

    9 өдрийн өмнө

    27:35 Funnily enough, When I was 12 years old I watched Event Horizon on late Night Television when my parents were out of the house for the evening and had nightmares for a week.

  10. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ

    9 өдрийн өмнө

    Why isn't the show just renamed to "Dancing Around Dark Souls"?

  11. The Oreo

    The Oreo

    9 өдрийн өмнө

    A mention of home of the underdogs! Yahtzee my man!! I didn't think it was possible for you to be any cooler, but you just proved me wrong!

  12. Mr. Bennett

    Mr. Bennett

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    Night in the Woods is another one of those supremely quirky games. It takes a bit of a dive at the end, and it's more walking sim/puzzle adventure than it is a traditional platformer, but it is freakin' quirky, that's for sure.

  13. Labrn Mystic

    Labrn Mystic

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    Did the audio seem low for anyone else? I listen pretty regularly and have a set volume I normally can listen on, this time I had to put up to almost Max

    • Christian Schweda

      Christian Schweda

      6 өдрийн өмнө

      Yep, same here. Mostly Jack beeing too quiet for my taste...

  14. liquidcow

    liquidcow

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    I'm playing Disco Elysium now. It doesn't feel to me like a 'pick-up-and-play' game, very much the opposite. Conversations and interactions can go on for so long, it's best if you can play it in big chunks in order to absorb yourself in it.

  15. Paul Chapman

    Paul Chapman

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    I just realized as they were talking about smacking old ladies with frying pans that Paula actually does that in EarthBound. I guess it’s easy to forget or ignore because you don’t actually see your characters attacking the enemy.

  16. Connor Swenke

    Connor Swenke

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    Disco elysium console release has FULL voice acting!

  17. Connor Swenke

    Connor Swenke

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    Quirk-by-commitee is how you get Life is Strange

  18. Connor Swenke

    Connor Swenke

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    @27:00 Speaking of Event Horizon, Shout Factory just released a blu-ray transfer! Mine's arriving this Tuesday!

  19. Shannon McConnell

    Shannon McConnell

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    I was poking around today and discovered that Earthbound is selling for something like $1300. I bought it for about $80 Canadian in the mid 90s and loved it. I still have it complete in box with the game guide. The only reason I bought it was because my friend assured me I wouldn't be able to finish it in three days like final fantasy. He had been playing his copy for months. I did manage to finish it in two weeks between work with very little sleep unfortunately so the $80 price tag was still to steep in my opinion. Now I don't know whether to sell it or hold on to it. It was the best Nintendo game. I loved that when you were to powerful for the enemies the encounters would just poof away. I have it on the mini nintendo clasic now but never bothered to play it more than once. My next favorite game was Planescape torment on the PC that I never managed to finish because I had played for weeks and then my hard drive died.

    • Shannon McConnell

      Shannon McConnell

      8 өдрийн өмнө

      @dogtune01 Honestly don't know, obviously doesn't have anything to do with playing the game itself. It's an original physical copy of the game with the big box and scratch and sniff manual. It wasn't originally a popular game. So not a lot of copies exist.

    • dogtune01

      dogtune01

      8 өдрийн өмнө

      I have the game for like 9 dollars or so on my 2ds. Why 1300?

  20. kehraus

    kehraus

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    Curiously, what is the intro music from? Anyone know?

  21. mutalord

    mutalord

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    a game needs the right amount of quirk to be good

  22. David Lejeune

    David Lejeune

    10 өдрийн өмнө

    I remember holding the Earthbound box in the shop a couple of times and the front completely not matching the back. Being a kid, I didn't know what to make of it, so I chose something else every time. The front drew me in a certain way, but the back completely negated it. Had they just put Ness with his baseball bat on the front instead of that spiky golden idol, I might have chosen differently. Anyway, never played it, probably should.

  23. askmitch

    askmitch

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    The question that asked about story and gameplay reminded me of Yahtzee's review of Anthem, where he mentions there is the story city "and literally walled off from it is the gameplay" One of the more horrendous examples, but another reason you cant trust AAA games.

  24. Notte Boy97

    Notte Boy97

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I feel Dungeon Muchies gives off a lot of the Earthbound/Undertale vibes. It starts off as a wacky adventure of you being a zombie revived by a ghost to make magical food that is outlawed for some reason. Then it gradually reveals that this isn't some quirky random game as the plot moves on from just making food because funny ghost lady told you to being a story about estranged friends and how the world came to be after facing several apocalypses.

  25. GameGod7

    GameGod7

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Stream starts at 1:50

  26. Azur Aben

    Azur Aben

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    About undertale mechanics, I think that with some fights you can even get damaged while you are in the menus themselves as attacks keep flying around the screen!

  27. Kaltes Bild

    Kaltes Bild

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I haven’t played Omori yet but I watched a super interesting vid on it. I think either of you would like the themes if you get through it.

    • Animall bros.

      Animall bros.

      6 өдрийн өмнө

      The themes of Omori are very interested.

  28. Luke Maguire

    Luke Maguire

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Just wanting to say how much I'm loving the slightly series

  29. ManDevil

    ManDevil

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I can't look at the new show's title graphic without getting a strange craving for Special K breakfast cereal.

  30. stop making me do this google

    stop making me do this google

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    mother 3 is so absurdly hype to westerners that when i was a at a used videogame store in japan (super potato), a mother 3 cartridge cost me more than a super famicom + n64 combined

  31. SnuSnuDungeon

    SnuSnuDungeon

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    From the description of that scratch and sniff book for Earthbound it sounded like they were trying to replicate the smell of an arcade

  32. AgapeForgotten

    AgapeForgotten

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Also Hal labs published both Earthbound and the first two Smash brothers. Legends of Localization said the translators did a pretty good job. And Omori is good.. the hook is that Omori seems unhappy even in a world that seems to love him.. it might be interesting to find out why..

    • AgapeForgotten

      AgapeForgotten

      6 өдрийн өмнө

      @Animall bros. Great way to express it without giving the story away, thank you. I was blanking out on it.

    • Animall bros.

      Animall bros.

      6 өдрийн өмнө

      I'd say the central core of Omori is confronting the past, and the surreal world is an escapism. The Prologue is more so directed towards figuring out what's going, while also just throwing unfiltered surrealism; and the later captors are more anchored by an emotional story.

  33. AgapeForgotten

    AgapeForgotten

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I loved Earthbound when I got it without a box in a going out of business sale. I didn't notice anything about it despite getting Nintendo power, I think because I wasn't really into gross stuff. I may have said no if I did.. still suffered from a stupid, self imposed fear of ego death as I was little and had memory issues. Also Giygas isn't god.. if anything, it was a force greater than them killing Giygas. Also Mother came out in the USA, Earthbound beginnings.

  34. Jamie Kay

    Jamie Kay

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Jack looks so good. He's like glowing. Love to see it :)

  35. Triforceman1

    Triforceman1

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Earthbound walked so that Undertale could run!

    • hackpo 101

      hackpo 101

      6 өдрийн өмнө

      And there’s mother 3 who became a national track athlete

  36. micuu1

    micuu1

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Home of the Underdogs? Now that takes me back

  37. Burryto

    Burryto

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Ahhh yes, the ol go to the arcade to beat up the local gang trope eh Yahtzee... every boy that grew up in America during the 90s has their fond memories of that life event.... no? just me?

  38. Moartem S

    Moartem S

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Finally theyre talking about a good game, unlike dark souls.

  39. PvtRyan96

    PvtRyan96

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Around the 40 minute mark, what moment during the Pacifist ending of Undertale is Yahtzee talking about?

    • retrograde riding

      retrograde riding

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      He describes that exact moment in his written review of Undertale.

    • Ryan S

      Ryan S

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Probably when you hug asriel dreemur

  40. Aegix Drakan

    Aegix Drakan

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I actually grew up with Earthbound. A friend of mine bought it (or maybe just rented it many many times) and I got to play it a bunch at his house. It was one of the first games that made me slightly more appreciative of boring old reality, showing me that you can find something magic in it if you look hard enough. The second game that did that, being Etrian Odyssey, which rekindled my childhood love of hiking.

  41. ajuicejemas

    ajuicejemas

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    bold opinion: omori is 4 times longer than it needs to be and had a garbage ending that ruins everything

    • Ezer Dezer

      Ezer Dezer

      10 өдрийн өмнө

      Yeah

  42. FireInTheDiscord

    FireInTheDiscord

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I would be fascinated to know if Yahtzee ever played Chaos Rings and if so what he made of it. I seem to remember it being a mobile only release which I know causes immediate alarm but the premise of the story was bloody amazing and the way they dripfed you information made it impossible to put down. If memory serves it was a Squex pet project back when touchscreen phones were first becoming a thing.

  43. FullMoonDeria

    FullMoonDeria

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I've seen reviews for Omori. Seems like the quirk isn't just there to be quirky, I'm reluctant to go into any derails because the mid-late game seems pretty hard-hitting for some people, but there's logic to why it starts with it.

  44. Christian Daniel

    Christian Daniel

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I just want to point out that we Westerners do have Smash Brothers to thank for Fire Emblem getting any Western releases, because of the enigma that were Marth and Roy.

    • Trilby Trillion

      Trilby Trillion

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Korbo Technically, Roy did appear, but only for a brief moment.

    • Korbo

      Korbo

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Which is funny considering neither Marth nor Roy were in the first FE realeased in the west.

  45. Arexion5293

    Arexion5293

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I really hope Yahtzee gives Omori a proper look. It gets pretty damn heavy.

    • Animall bros.

      Animall bros.

      7 өдрийн өмнө

      I'm​ highly anticipating a zero punctuation review on Omori.

  46. Ryan Geiger

    Ryan Geiger

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I want a whole podcast with Dreary Critic Yahtzee/Jack.

    • Perian

      Perian

      9 өдрийн өмнө

      You're watching it.

  47. Netkat thegreat

    Netkat thegreat

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    So when are we going to get the slightly pets stream, that everyone wants? An hour of cuteness sounds good to me....

  48. Tech Deth

    Tech Deth

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    Jack commits the stand up / interview #1 sin all the time. Yahtzee is a "yes, and" in conversation, where Jack is a "no, but".

  49. Colin Munro

    Colin Munro

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    All I remember about EarthBound is that it had a playable character named Poo.

    • Paul Chapman

      Paul Chapman

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Each character has several “Don’t Care” names, and Ness, Paula, Jeff, and Poo are just the first names in the list.

    • Shoezz

      Shoezz

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Bren Krasmer ah, you're right. Forgot about that.

    • Bren Krasmer

      Bren Krasmer

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Shoezz Either that or it's the name given by default when you tell the game "Don't Care" at character naming time.

    • Shoezz

      Shoezz

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Technically you have to give him that name

  50. aBucketOfPuppies

    aBucketOfPuppies

    11 өдрийн өмнө

    I love Earthbound. I found a copy for the SNES in the basement as a kid and pretended to be sick for 3 days in a row to play it. I think I stopped playing somewhere around the desert area.

  51. ItsHyomoto

    ItsHyomoto

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    I keep pausing and Jack ends up having some intense expression, I'm going to stop pausing now.

  52. Succubu Harb Sama

    Succubu Harb Sama

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Dark fantasy ARPG She Will Punish Them

  53. B B

    B B

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Well I'm glad Yahtzee kindly opted not to spoil Undertale ... unlike his ZP Assassin's Creed review that announced how a certain character died in the previous game. Anyhow, a fascinating discussion as always.

    • Shoezz

      Shoezz

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      To be fair, and I'm a huge AC fan, the story to Undertale is generally more meaningful than those of most AC games.

    • Duddridge1

      Duddridge1

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      It's not like anyone ever plays Assassin's Creed for the storytelling anyway, especially for the segments outside of the animus.

  54. Luke becker

    Luke becker

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    You get the more nihilistic feel from Lisa in mother 3

  55. Jo Stro

    Jo Stro

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    I'd agree with yahtzee's sentiment on omori starting poorly, I'd say though that once you get past the prologue it properly sets up the hook and improves alot.

    • DIYDylana

      DIYDylana

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      I think the prologues totally fine, I like it when stories take their time in the intro so I can get into its world and characters. That way the climactic stuff actually hits harder.

    • Mookae5

      Mookae5

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      I definitely think they couldve pushed the first real dungeon back a little in the story so the other plot stuff can happen sooner, as the stuff that happens after that dungeon was what made me love the game.

    • Dargons

      Dargons

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Jo Stro Nah, I'd still disagree with that. I was invested from minute one.

    • Jo Stro

      Jo Stro

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Dargons ig it probably would have been more accurate for me to say "part way through the prologue" but that would have been harder to communicate easily without spoilers.

    • Dargons

      Dargons

      12 өдрийн өмнө

      Idk why people keep saying that, I thought the prologue was just fine. Sure, the really interesting stuff comes after that, but I was already having fun before that. Also the prologue does a really good job of setting up a lot of plot threads in a way more subtle way.

  56. Jed Blazer

    Jed Blazer

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    I wonder what Gabe's GOTY is this year?

  57. SafeHaven

    SafeHaven

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Sounds like despicable me music at the beginning 💀

  58. Niall Collins

    Niall Collins

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Look, we all miss Fact Jack. But I’d like to now put in an argument for Stern Critic NPR Voice Jack.

  59. Prof Hobo

    Prof Hobo

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Starts at 1:51

  60. The Chazzler

    The Chazzler

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Hearing Yahtzee saying “of I think your find yourself having a *bad time*” is scary

  61. Sujith Giridharan

    Sujith Giridharan

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    This here, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of the end for 'ol Ben Croshaw. Whatever escapist claims this garbage is.. This is a sad end to Yahtzee's story..

    • Redtiger

      Redtiger

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @TrivialTales not really, literally all the people I talk to about it complain about narritive issues, and seeing as I'm "leaning conservative" (aka alt-right to Jack) a lot of the people I talk to are right of center. Amazingly none of them care that Kelly Marie Tran is Asian, and in fact a lot of us think Finn was tragically under utilized in episodes 8 & 9, some how we don't hate him because he's black. If you ask me the alt-right aspect of this is feels like a vocal minority, rather than a raging majority, and Jack proved just that with the study. Idk dude, think what you want, I'm sick of people writing me off as alt-right just because I didn't like TLJ. It's tiring as hell, and the fact that 4 years after it released we have someone I used to respect shitting on the idea that I can think independently of the "leaning conservative" mob. Clearly I can't critically think and come to my own opinions, I must just be spouting off racist bullshit that I heard from some alt-right youtuber like Mauler. Who, I might add, is a prime example of a person that isn't alt-right that really didn't like that movie. Tbh, the worse thing that Jack did, that is a lot less defensible, is equating "leaning conservative" with the alt-right. It just shows a lack of understanding, and I thought Jack was better than that.

    • TrivialTales

      TrivialTales

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Redtiger I mean, there was a big contingent of "alt right" outcry over the movie. I didn't like it either (although it's the strongest of the trilogy in hindsight) but that subset of people definitely used that movie to prop up their presence. There's no way Jack Packard thinks disliking the movie immediately makes you alt-right, since everyone else at Red Letter Media hated it, and they all still seem to be friends.

    • Redtiger

      Redtiger

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @TrivialTales TLJ, check his twitter. He's doubled down on it, repeating that the difference between conservative leaning and alt-right is really just splitting hairs. Therefore if you are right of center you've essentially admited to being alt-right in his eyes, and idk what he thinks it means, but I see alt-right as white supremacists and sexists. And that was in response to people being upset that he is propagating the misinformation that most people that didn't like TLJ fell for the evil plan of the alt-right, rather than just not enjoying a movie they saw. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that a lot of people just didn't like a movie, it MUST be an alt-right, oops sorry, a "leaning conservative" conspiracy.

    • Redtiger

      Redtiger

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Isen apparently, kinda blown away that he wouldn't have had a more nuanced perspective, considering he hangs out with RLM guys, and last I checked they weren't that keen on it. But I guess they they are cleared to dislike it because he knows them? It's just depressing tbh

    • Isen

      Isen

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Duddridge1 People would have batted an eye 20 years ago.

  62. smith

    smith

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    levels, jack is too quiet

    • Moartem S

      Moartem S

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Its a metaphor you see.

    • Evan Andrews

      Evan Andrews

      12 өдрийн өмнө

      They're both quiet but Jack the quietest.

  63. Christopher Rowley

    Christopher Rowley

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Everyday Yahtzee comes comes closer and closer to realizing he likes anime games.

    • Bao Le

      Bao Le

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Thomas YOUywa he never said he dislike anime, same thing as JRPG he just enjoy the less conventional ones

    • Thomas YOUywa

      Thomas YOUywa

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      I’d almost say persona 5 is even more cringe than anime anyways so he just looks dumb saying he doesn’t like anime

    • Bao Le

      Bao Le

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @DIYDylana meta

    • Christopher Rowley

      Christopher Rowley

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Bao Le I know about that but soon he will soon he will realize it for more anime games

    • DIYDylana

      DIYDylana

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      @Bao Le I call 'em "Alternative JRPG's" and the related more aventure/narrative/sim style games without jrpg gameplay "Post-JRPG's" I stole that from music genres hehe

  64. GoldenSP

    GoldenSP

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    It was a pleasure to discuss it with you. I suggest you to actually Yahtzee actually restart Lisa, play Omori and at least look at Hylics 2

  65. velour fog

    velour fog

    12 өдрийн өмнө

    Starts at 1:53

    • Tompsteri

      Tompsteri

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      A real hero

    • Kaltes Bild

      Kaltes Bild

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Knew someone would have my back

    • Corey Sierchio

      Corey Sierchio

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      I scrolled down to find this. Thanks!

    • dynomar

      dynomar

      11 өдрийн өмнө

      Bless you

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