Stardew Valley Has The Perfect Gameplay Loop | Slightly Something Else
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Үзсэн тоо 42мянга.
For the first episode of Slightly Something Else, Yahtzee and Jack discuss why Stardew Valley has the perfect gameplay loop.
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Neat Games
12 өдрийн өмнө
I'm making a Zelda+Stardew-inspired game right now :D This talk was really great for me!!
TheEnoEtile
16 өдрийн өмнө
As far as edge goes the thing with Linus eating from trash cans is pretty grim.
Coldfiresun
18 өдрийн өмнө
Why is the audio on escapist podcasts always so quiet?
SnakeTheBoss13
24 өдрийн өмнө
you do your farming work and then you chill, says yathzee not for min maxers like me, every moment of day has to be used to it's maximum potential which leads to the whole day being stress, haha
loqk loqkson
24 өдрийн өмнө
Minecraft has a 20 minute day..
Kevbo2040
25 өдрийн өмнө
Funny how in his "review" of Stardew Valley he dunked on the game and called the datable characters all 'interchangable'. Guess he's shoved his bad review up his own ass and started appreciating SV now.
Gustavo Sanábio
25 өдрийн өмнө
This show is a MUCH better idea then slightly civil war. Just saying.
Wizard Level 1
25 өдрийн өмнө
Swamp Card =Vampires means that Vampires cant heal anymore, and that their healing actually does damage to them I believe. Anything else that spawns on those swamps (spiders) will suffer the same issue. Not good to use them if you have a regen build of course.
Nathanael Forlorn
26 өдрийн өмнө
I found stardew frustrating and stressful. I liked the core, but the time mechanic stomped all over what could have been idyllic.
DawnApon
26 өдрийн өмнө
I'm into it
Dispro
26 өдрийн өмнө
Huh, the RLM/Yahtzee crossover I didn't know existed.
The Garden of Eatin
26 өдрийн өмнө
There's some confusion between the Harvest Moon and Story of Seasons franchises which may be confusing to consumers. Solution: play Stardew Valley!
momsemaur
26 өдрийн өмнө
Listening to this podcast while playing Valheim is very sooting for my soul.
Chema Guerra
26 өдрийн өмнө
Congrats on this reformatted Slightly S.E.. Listening to you two share your thoughts on videogames in depth is a delight.
Gawan King
27 өдрийн өмнө
What's the song at the beginning?
Toksyuryel
28 өдрийн өмнө
On Loop Hero: Swamps are really good next to vampire mansions, as they will kill themselves with their own vampirism. Vampire mansions are important because orbs of expansion only drop from combats with at least five enemies, and only four enemies can directly spawn on a tile.
Nicolas Grønlund
28 өдрийн өмнө
Great new format! I liked Slightly Civil War most of the time and will miss it. But I liked the podcast that came after EVERY time, so this is really just more of the best stuff.
JFJD
28 өдрийн өмнө
5:08 “Hello, I’m Yahtzee Croshaw and this is my friend Jack and we’re talking the fuck about some HAAAAARVEST MOOOOON for the SNES”.
woa wh
29 өдрийн өмнө
Really cool you figured out a way to incorporate youtube comments into a podcast
tiny crimester
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.... i've never realized how much you guys resemble each other.
Derek Barnett
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I always have a hard time analyzing the core loop of games when they get more complex. Take the SoulsBorne games for example, since Yhatzee/Jack are both fans. What is the actual core loop there versus the secondary and tertiary loops?
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
Fighting monsters? It's a game about using weapons, levels, map knowledge, ... to fight enemies. That's it.
Adam Albrec
Сарын өмнө
No I have to go buy that freakin game - thanks guys!
Zwickerly2
Сарын өмнө
I like this
melimsah
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Also I legit played stardew valley while listening to this. The 1.5 update sucked me in hard
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
Me, too, it's so good! Have you found the SV Discord yet? There's so many people there for Multiplayer and fanart and stuff, I recommend it to everyone :)
melimsah
Сарын өмнө
Loved this!!! I actually been following escapist for a long time without subscribing cuz I just stuck to zero punctuation, but this made me subscribe
Andrii
Сарын өмнө
Guys, do you plan to upload this to Apple Podcasts app into old slightly civil war (now has new picture) feed? Currently it’s not there
The Escapist
Сарын өмнө
Yes, a couple days after the live show goes up as we have to edit / clean it up for audio formats.
trequor
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Everyone: "omg yahtzee and jack are so great together!" Me: *sad gabe noises*
Wolfe Wright
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You can have both - Rune factory series.
Nora Grayson
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I'm sad to see Slightly Civil War go. I really loved those jokey debates with all the animations
Trilby Trillion
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Speaking of Rune Factory, I remember Rune Factory 4 had a Chzo Mythos reference. In a haunted house there was a journal that ended with "it hurts" written in red over and over again.
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
That went through some translation and is generic enough to not be as likely intentional, but maybe Yahtzee is influential enough :D
Albert Jung
Сарын өмнө
Much prefer this show over slightly civil war. I like hearing about your guys's actual opinions than opinions you guys are arbitrarily assigned.
Emily V
Сарын өмнө
Just wanted to say I love Yahtzee Croshaw's Trilby game series and hope he puts them on the Switch!
Andrew M
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Loop Souls Podcast
wobbly sauce
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Loop Hero... Picked it up after Jack talked about it... 100ish hrs later on 1 save.. not including other saves of trying to get the boss on the first play. Dangit... you said the magic word, I took off my headphones and put it on speaker to do some house stuff and my dog grabbed the lead.
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
Loop Hero is somewhat fractal, every system hides two more beneath it you can tinker with. It's incredible.
D2ME
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Never played Stardew Valley but I'm quite intrigued 🤔 "They drinking themselves to death Jack!"
ZanathKariashi
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Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning (for 3DS) is the last true Farm Story game to use the Harvest Moon name. Everything after that are the crappy bad ones. But even that one isn't that good....mostly because the tutorial is horrific, and lasts the entire first year of the game before they let you just freaking play (it's fine after that point). (as in locking out whole mechanics and introducing 1 new thing a week if you're lucky). I literally could not be assed to replay it because there's you're wasting hours of your life with the most patronizingly hand-held trash in existence and wastes like 6 hours just getting to the point you can start playing. Story of Seasons did A LOT better in that regard. Since they only somewhat restrict your first week (which is fair enough since it only takes 10-15 minutes to rush through it), and there's more to do since you're not playing in a mostly abandoned town with only 2 npcs to talk to for 3/4 of the first year like in HM 3D. If HM 3D had done the same I'd feel it was a lot better, since the Town Building aspect IS fun, but it takes like 6 hours to brute force your way through all the tutorials to get to the point you can start playing.
Jake Kluzik
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“Adjust glasses, smug voice” Nothing changes
Broken Nose Boxing
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I like that hack fraud Jack Packard
Calmoji
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Finally, a theme that doesn't remind me of "what a friend we have in Jesus"
Utku Benli
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I think another great take on "Farming Sims" is the factory management games like Factorio or Satisfactory. The gameplay loop is basically same in terms of short and long term goals and gains but a type of game also satisfy the engineer/nerd in some of us. For me I can't be bothered to water the plants but I can spend days building up to a space elevator.
MrDalisclock
22 өдрийн өмнө
I need to try factorio again. I've tried and not hit the point I'm into it
Freddie Schultz
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Jack: A lot of the girls are just what you put into them. PHRASING, JACK.
Corey Sierchio
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*Mah* *Wife*
Existential Gen-Z
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“They’re fucking drinking themselves to death Jack!”
ManDevil
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"Large Cynical Man Cuddling Tiny Dog Stream" is what my brain calls this.
Aegix Drakan
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You know, I really wanted to make a Farming Sim x Cosmic Horror type RPG at one point, mixing "chill" with "freaky secret stuff"...But managing a full-blown farming sim type game in RPGmaker is legit difficult and I moved on to other projects. XD
nickg131
26 өдрийн өмнө
It's not cosmic horror, but Graveyard Keeper is "Stardew Valley, except with zombies, corpses and making fun of the church establishment" I liked it a lot
Dean Sturgess
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Why does Jack have a framed corndog?
velour fog
27 өдрийн өмнө
I think i remember him saying that it was a souvenir from a project he worked on. Can't remember the whole story.
Steven Thomas
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My favourite part of slightly civil war was the podcast that comes after slightly civil war, so I like that this is continuing. I'm not bothered about it being live, I prefer to have it as a sort of podcast I can listen to/watch later on. Keep it up chaps.
John Smith
Сарын өмнө
Yahtzee looks like my dishevelled university professor tbh
C.W. Rudy
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@1:04:24 More specifically it's a fuck hunt. I don't even want to know what the hunting dog would be snickering at in THAT game...
Hannah the Brave
Сарын өмнө
Yeah i went for Shane, and was pretty annoyed when he moved in he put beer on my bedroom floor!
luedriver
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I kinda wish Minecraft had a stardew valley/harvest moon game mode and plays like it because 10 mins days are short and hostile mob spawning just keep you from doing stuff
luedriver
26 өдрийн өмнө
@Alex Noman thats why it called a gamemode, its an option for those that want it and not force it on to everyone at the same time, adventure mode is something that map makers use but is pretty worthless for everyone else, having different gamemodes would make the game feel different every time
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
But building fences and lighting everything up is like fighting the corruption itself, carving out a peaceful place for yourself. Possibly protecting villagers in the process. That gives meaning to some!
Brettin Tomianos
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48:00 reference to Sayori in DDLC
Michael DeVore
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20 Min is about the length of most 30 min shows once you cut out the commercials and even the filler sequences
Preston Byrd
Сарын өмнө
This was good.
Kevin Kohn
Сарын өмнө
Will the Podcast be posted on Spotify/ other podcast aps?
MR. J
Сарын өмнө
Graveyard keeper is probably my favorite harvest moon Star dew valley descendent
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
Yes, tinkering with organs and then monopolizing the gourmet vegetable market without lifting a finger was a great goal to work towards and achieve. From then on I just bought out every shop in town when I needed something; the tavern was so necessary to give meaning to this stage of the game, though. But I am also the person who maxed out his graveyard, judge accordingly :D
MR. J
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@Custos part of that is the maingameplay loop leads to less grind via zombies. so you can focus more on the actively fun stuff.
Custos
Сарын өмнө
I found it enjoyable, but it leans waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much on its novel theme. I was expecting a lot more story and a more, well, fleshed out gameplay loop rather than generic grind.
Andonhyun
Сарын өмнө
Pull things out of the ground 20 minute day loop Pikmin is a farming sim
MrDalisclock
22 өдрийн өмнө
Checks out
Ryan
Сарын өмнө
Every day we come one step closer to a Rich Evans cameo
Ryan
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@PenelopePenobskot I’d literally murder someone to get Yahtzee on a best of the worst, but I feel like that’s not really his thing and I can respect that (not just “movies”, but kinda the whole setup). Rich is a sellout though and he’d totally talk about video games on here
PenelopePenobskot
Сарын өмнө
I'm personally rooting for a yahtzee appearance on rlm lol
LepidopteraLady
Сарын өмнө
After the stream by hours. I just want to say that I'm looking forward to Stardew Valley meets Wing Commander: Privateer.
TheEarlGreyHot
Сарын өмнө
That was an excellent new form. A great accompaniment on my morning walk do school! But where did Jack get that amazing T-shirt??
Hey Friend what ya doing?
Сарын өмнө
I feel like darksouls/stardew valley is a game i would probably play.
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
Hell yes, actual stakes, a grim world, carving out a piece of Eden with the gathered scraps of knowledge and equipment? That sounds incredible!
Andrew Newell
Сарын өмнө
All this talk about Stardew Valley and y’all haven’t tried the boardgame yet. And it’s even got a solo mode!
SmeiskAudio
Сарын өмнө
Have you tried it at all? Is it any good?
brad phillips
Сарын өмнө
Love the new format
MoonShadowWolfe
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Perfect in that it ate weeks of my life and I'm feeding it more. Yahtzee warned me that it hits them addiction receptors, but I just had to know ... EDIT: And yet, in all that time, I never sided with Joja. I even started new games with it in mind that I would see the Joja ending, and yet pouring that much time into seeing what I know will be a shitty ending is devoid of the fun of working toward the ending you care about. I guess that's how I know how much I play games for the story.
Greg S.
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Of all the things I would change about SDV, I think the big one I would change is to make the characters who give up booze, i.e. Pam and Shane, stop LOVING it when you give them Beer even when they're supposed to be sobering up.
Mikael
Сарын өмнө
Well just look at those hungry young talents now!
TheAwesomeHyperon
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I hope the make animated snippets of highlighted moments.
Miles
Сарын өмнө
Just go gay and date Shane, Yatz.
TeamOmega27
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Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life and Harvest Moon Another Wonderful Life on the GameCube were the last good Harvest Moon Games that I would recommend trying if you like Stardew Valley. I mean Tree of Tranquility was a decent Harvest Moon game but it doesn't hold a candle to the previously mentioned titles. Previous Harvest Moon games that came before those two are also great but everything after them is just kind of "eh".
TeamOmega27
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@callak _ **(SPOILERS)** I just remember growing old and dying. 10/10 would cry again. (And that old lady outliving me which still, to this day, think she's a vampire)
callak _
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The nice part of those 2 games (I believe its also on the PS2 though), was if you had a GBA, link cable and Friends of Mineral Town/More Friends of Mineral Town, you can get some bonus items in both games. That was one of the fun things about the GC, developers could make games for both systems and add something interesting that's unlocked once hooked together.
Bendoverstoke
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Was sad when they announced slightly civil war was ending, now I'm grinning like a silly little boy. Long live jack & yahtz
Night Cat
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The Rune Factory series is the one I think really did manage to combine quality farming with quality combat stuff. It keeps them separate though; no bloody tower defence tiresomeness.
Grinnar
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For a guy who got fired like a week ago, Jack sure does like to give free labor.
Grinnar
Сарын өмнө
@Rhombicdodecahedron running gag from a few Slightly Civil Wars ago.
Rhombicdodecahedron
Сарын өмнө
Wait Jack got fired?
Andrew Hickinbottom
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48:09 - if one of the stardew waifus had a literal hook, that would be 'something' too! She could have lost her hand in a tragic farming accident, and is depressed about it or something.
silvaa
Сарын өмнө
me listening to this podcast while playing stardew: 🥲
M12GProductions
Сарын өмнө
Still pales in comparison to Rune Factory.
silvaa
Сарын өмнө
nah it's better
gravysamich
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30:00 talking about "useless" cards in loop hero, both yahtzee bring up 2 cards they both individually don't like, but the thing is that if those two cards are played right near each other there are some huge synergies. swamps reverse healing such that vampirism and heal over times actually do damage instead. throw a vampire castle next to a swamp and you get vampires spawning there. vampires have a passive that gives them and any other enemies vampirism and since the swamp reverses the healing this gives then it is essentially free damage. this type of setup goes really well when you build your character for dodging and defense. you can rely on your potions to heal you instead and just avoid damage.
Donato Clandorf
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loop hero advice, if you hold down the return to camp button, it turns on auto return, the next time you pass through camp it'll do it for you, no timing required.
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
You have several options in the menu for various auto-pauses, too, worth keeping in mind :)
Jen Weatherwax
Сарын өмнө
Love hearing you guys, but these anti-dog camera angles are a crime!
Iron Wolf
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"Cooki has already scratched at my..." cut off by loading. Do I want to guess at what he was about to say or wait to find out.
MeepmeepVroom
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I couldnt really get into it at all. I mean I enjoy it in theory, but meh. I just found it pretty dull.
The Bear Geek
Сарын өмнө
Talk about The Sims, which has always had a farming side, but became specially powerful on Sims 3 and Sims 4. You can have a huge farming simulation in the Sims 4 and live off of the land if you want to.
Cloudian~
Сарын өмнө
I mean... Harvest moon back to nature is 'perfect-er'
Alex Noman
27 өдрийн өмнө
They kept suspiciously quiet to really keep the brand recognition rolling as long as possible...
HALF A Studio
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I'm having let's drown out flash backs... It's beautiful (=
Andrew S.
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Stardew Valley feels like a management program disguised as a game. Hopefully the dev makes something a little more inspired next time. I love their visual art style.
Andrew S.
17 өдрийн өмнө
@silvaa Check out Microsoft Excel sometime. I think it'll be right up your alley.
DoppeD
17 өдрийн өмнө
....and there's the "I like the game and can't handle that someone doesn't"-response.
silvaa
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yes hopefully the one man dev will be more inspired than the 30+ characters, story and world he single handedly made. I've played through five times and still something new with updates and new story/farms/items. perhaps you are the uninspired one
KittyCannibalism
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I havent been in stardew valley since the first year it came out. At that time it felt like a skeleton crew of Rune Factory 4 at least.
LunchMike
Сарын өмнө
I LOVE the show change! while I thought Slightly Civil War was okay if I thought the topic was interesting. the after Discussion was what I listened to the most!
Sam B
Сарын өмнө
We need Terminal Montage to make "Something about slightly something else"
askmitch
Сарын өмнө
You want perfect gameplay loops? Civ 5 has got to be up there. I spent 16 hours yesterday hitting next turn and just lost an entire day of my life.
McCree
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@Brettin Tomianos It is, but it becomes better with the Vox Populi mod, among many other improvements.
askmitch
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@Brettin Tomianos I haven't played multiplayer, so I can't really compare. At higher difficulties they straight up have an advantage over you, which makes it difficult but not impossible.
Brettin Tomianos
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some say the a.i is shit in civ 5.
tutucox
Сарын өмнө
swamp card is good to fight vampires
xxPYROxxJONESxx
Сарын өмнө
For a moment I thought we had drown out mk.2
Kevin Snarfcakes
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In my opinion as soon as I played Rune Factory 4 I never wanted to play Stardew again. Something about all the skills in the game made Stardew seem boring to me.
Kevin Snarfcakes
Сарын өмнө
@silvaa I don't think it is Nintendo developed but that's a great point. A better example would be my time at Portia maybe?
silvaa
Сарын өмнө
you're comparing a full priced Nintendo developed title to a $10 one-man development game but 🤷🏼♀️
Raz Griz
Сарын өмнө
I will never tire of Yahtzee's voice
Harrison Novak
22 өдрийн өмнө
@Connor Swenke Will Destroy the Galaxy for Cash was even better
Connor Swenke
Сарын өмнө
I just finished the audiobook of "Will Save the Galaxy for Food" and it was faaaaantastic.
Lena Hansson
Сарын өмнө
Yatz and Jack appear at 1:28 :)
Lena Hansson
Сарын өмнө
Also how *dare* you crop out the dogs D:
Jamie Russell
Сарын өмнө
@1:30 they finally start
gameboy772
24 өдрийн өмнө
25:10 Wadsworth constant, for the main point of the whole video.
J
26 өдрийн өмнө
@Cody Shaner Those cookies are raisin?! No! Shawty, why?
Cody Shaner
27 өдрийн өмнө
@OfficialGageThePyro too bad that cookie will be oatmeal raisin and slightly stale.
OfficialGageThePyro
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You have provided a valuable service good sir. I’m sending you a cookie in the mail as a reward
steimeleyes
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They probably stumbled into the timing because I think they just programmed 1 minute in real life = 1 hour of game time. Several games like BOTW and Majora's Mask also set their day/night cycle at the same pace.
Tripolar M Disorder
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Everquest had the same thing, a 20 minute day/night cycle at least. I think DAOC and Baulders Gate did as well. It's a fairly consistent trope.
Duck_Billed_Atheist
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I would love an episode where Yahtzee and Jack just talk about their favorite games
Kevin Snarfcakes
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Wasn't there that one episode where Yahtz sold Jack on Silent Hill 2 as well?
Túlio Di Sabatino
Сарын өмнө
That's a lot of words for "Dark Souls"
Kat In A Hoodie
Сарын өмнө
That was the last three podcast of slightly civil war, with dark soul taking over two of them
Frabasco Sauce
Сарын өмнө
Each day we come one step closer to it being a jack n yahtz radio show
SweetKiren
10 өдрийн өмнө
The Jack'n'yahtz is a pretty good title actually 😂 Welcome everybody, you're listening to The Jack'n'yahtz show
Dave O'Mahony
27 өдрийн өмнө
Now this I’d love to see
Frabasco Sauce
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@Lizardman make no mistake, im all for it! I usually have random post zp, slightly civil or of Lets drown out as my white noise. great for drowning out everything else
Lizardman
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You day that like its a bad thing
LarLakFarStrider
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"Jack 'n' the Yahtz" sounds like a nice spin on a morning radio show name with the cheeky name similarity to jack in the box.
GreenKarateMonkey
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10:50
Bugside almighty
Сарын өмнө
New podcast babeeeeeeeey
U. Flame
Сарын өмнө
When they said it would be called Slightly Something Else, I didn't expect that to be literal
CaptainCarmine
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@a better name this is america
a better name
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@CaptainCarmine you have an hour long commute? Holy shit...
CaptainCarmine
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@The Escapist Thanks!
The Escapist
Сарын өмнө
@CaptainCarmine Yes they will be uploaded a couple days AFTER the live recording because we need to edit them for podcast platforms. We're updating the Slightly Civil War channels to Slightly Something Else so no need to subscribe to anything new either.
CaptainCarmine
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@The Escapist Will this make it to Spotify? These podcasts were perfect time for my daily commute
Meister Kleister Heisst Er
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Damn, I missed the stream.